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Shooting Called Self Defense
(WSB Radio) -- Atlanta police are calling a deadly overnight shooting a case of self defense.
APD Sgt. Lisa Keyes tells Channel 2 Action News a suspected carjacker was shot and killed just after Midnight Thursday morning as he attempted to steal a car from outside the Graveyard Tavern on Glenwood Avenue in southeast Atlanta.
When confronted by the suspect, Keyes says the car owner "pulled his own weapon and shot the suspect five to six times."
Southeast Atlanta resident Edward Gilgor blames public safety furloughs and lack of officers on the street for the crime in his neighborhood. He tells Channel 2 Action News "I have no doubt in my mind that as long as the city of Atlanta chooses to not properly defend its citizens, incidents will occur, all over the entire city, just like this."
Atlanta police do not plan to file any charges against the unidentified victim.
What others are saying
- Shooting carjackersWhen some thug thnks their easly going to carjack someone then ends up geting shot dead theres no one to blame by the thug he made the mistake and has payed for it with his life. The old say is right CRIME DOSNT PAY
- RE: JLB @ 01/15/09 10:15:02"A civil society, cannot allow individuals to take the law into their own hands."
How wrong you are. Here in America, We, the people, have the law in our hands. The fact that we have delegated its enforcement does not mean we have renounced to use it as we need. Choose, if you wish, not to utilize that right, but you cannot choose for the rest of us. - FridaysWhat a wonderful way to start my Friday. Reading a feel good story the main stream media probably passed on. Nice shooting. Good stance, proper grip, and trigger squeeze = gun control.
- Good for the shooterOh a poor mama...gee i wonder who wrote that one. To the dead criminal, GOOD, got exactly what you deserved. I'm just waiting for the liberals to whine and cry about it. "he wanted to get out of the cold" um...walk into walmart idiot, nice try.
And since black people LOVE to inject racisim into EVERYTHING and it will only get worse now that king obama is here to stay, I have a suggestion, STOP BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING AND ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU OWN LIVES
Can anyone introduce me to "the man", no? why? because he doesn't exist. It's typical of blacks to say white people are the root of all evil INSTEAD of policing themselves - Shooting Called Self Defense"Southeast Atlanta resident Edward Gilgor blames public safety furloughs and lack of officers on the street for the crime in his neighborhood. He tells Channel 2 Action News "I have no doubt in my mind that as long as the city of Atlanta chooses to not properly defend its citizens, incidents will occur, all over the entire city, just like this.""
Uh, you make this sound like a bad thing. If this happened more often, the criminals would soon become an endangered species... Where's the down side? - drtand still no mention of the drt story in myrlte beach sc a month ago...
- DRTIf only someone would have given the perp a hug, then the shooter would not have to clean the gun. We in Illinois do not permit people to defend themselves because of the Chicago Politicians need the votes of the criminal element, or they just don't want to create "a hostile work environment" for the thug/gangbang/punks. Way too many people in this state of Chicago suffer from nocturnal enuresis.
- Bravo!This is the kind of story that should be required reading in grade school. Along with proper firearms safety and marksmanship training. I wonder how popular carjacking would be if 75% of our citizenry was carrying a concealed weapon?
- Gun controlLike the t-shirt says, "Gun control means never having to say, 'I missed you!'"
- Freedom!GOOD! One less criminal in the world. Now if only this would happen more often...maybe people would think twice before trying to commit a crime.
- FantasticThe country needs more feel good stories like this to take our minds off the bad things going on in our nation's Congress.
- 2nd AmendmentBravo to you 'unidentified intended victim'!! I truly hope that stories such as these may continue through the Obama years. He and his Atty Gen choice are both in favor of taking away our armaments - and as anyone with firing synapses knows, when that happens only the criminals will have guns.
If you're afraid of guns, LEARN about them. They're only bad in the hands of bad people. - Andrew's commentsWell said!
- carjackingGood for the unidentified car owner.
I understand his grouping was close.
He shoulda racked up another clip and emptied that itno the scumbag as well.
Another Dirtbag predator goes Tango Uniform! - RE: Horrified and the other idiotLMAO!!! They pulled the race card and nobody said anything about anyone's color. But being a minority I'm going to go ahead and help out the white folks by saying that P.O.S was B-L-A-C-k and he got what was coming. And what about the other idiot yammering on about how we should make it so everyone has a car? Ha! Ha! Ha! Who's going to pay for that?
BTW. Um no they don't steal cars to get a ride from point A to point B they sell it for parts and then feed their drug habit. Not put food on the table or get to their job at Popeye's or KFC... Please... All I can say is try to steal my car and see what happens... It will look like you attempted to steal Michael Corleone's or John Gotti's car. It will be a Masacre... - I love a story with a happy ending
- lethal forcethe writer of the blog saying you cannot use force in this situation has been listening to the news & the spokesmen for the police chiefs who must have not read title 16 of the GA laws. It says you have the right to defend your life or property ,or anyones life or property.LEKV7
- Self Defenseas a friend of mine says:
When seconds make the difference between life and death, 911 is just minutes away! - 5 or 6 RoundsIt doesn't matter if he used 1 or 100. The job is done. If you only use a single round, some lawyer will sue saying it was "premeditated" or entrapment.
Jeez people. Wake up. Just think of the money this person has saved tax payers on legal fees, jail costs, medical & tuition expenses, insurance claims of future victims. And reduced the chance of the Fulton County government having another prisioner escape and hurt people because they are incompetent. - Lethal ForceIt's not the fact that the car was being highjacked. Lethal force is not authorized to protect property, only if a person is in fear for his/her life. The story read that the owner was "confronted" by the carjacker. One can only suppose the confrontation was deadly enough to cause the car owner to draw and use his weapon to protect his life.
- Re: HorrifiedHorrified says:
"How disgraceful! Taking another person's life because of a car?"
I agree 100%, it is absolutely disgraceful that the perp was using the threat of deadly force to steal another person's property. I'm glad the intended victim was able to educate him in that very special way. - C'mon 5 or 6 rounds is ridiculousThis dude needs to go back to the shooting range and practice or get a bigger gun (I suggest the "Judge"). Next time one round will be enough.
- WhatWhere in this story is anyones race mentioned. Some posters are complaining that the assailant was black so it was unfair to shoot him. I don't know his race but maybe he wanted a ride to DC for the coronation.
- Unsung HeroesJob well done. Give that man the "Key to the City". Sounds like we finally have a legitimate mayoral candidate of Atlanta on deck.
- DRTThe person was right to hold some rounds in reserve. What if Jacker Thug had some buddies standing by...would be nice to have a few bullets left without having to rack another clip first.
- gun control????I am amazed and uplifted by the positive responses to this article. More power to the people!!!!
- Constitutionalist"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
It's Amendment II, not Article II - attempted carjackingShot five or six times? Pssh, what did he use a revolver? If, God forbid, he is ever in a situation where he needs to defend himself again he should go ahead and unload an entire clip. Bullets are cheap and criminals need object lessons to help curb their collective stupidity.
- Attempted carjacking...Great job by an armed citizen! One less piece of street trash around to threaten innocent citizens. Let's have more of the same - maybe criminals will think twice if they think they may end up dead right there.
- pays offYup, target practice pays off, as does preparedness. You could also argue that the life decisions made by this thug paid off as well, and that the pooor pitiful mama's efforts were rewarded too in that she will no longer be ashamed of that skid mark she raised.
- Don’t pity the mama, Horrified.Pity the people who still have to share the streets with people like her son. The motorist probably did the best thing possible for the robber. If that motorist had not been willing to generously share his time and bullets, that poor needy fellow would probably have had a longer list of sins to discuss with God.
- Well, Huh. We'll be sure to point out all would be carjackers towards your general direction for for any carjacking needs.
- No victim hereJust a predator and a citizen who was willing and able to defend their life and property. A Citizens who would not accept being a victim. Good stuff.
After that bar tender was executed AFTER complying with the robbers you simply cannot expect to live even if you give them what they want. Fight for your life and the lives of other innocent citizens. If you kill a predator while doing so, good. The world will be a better place for it. - Article II"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The victim (car owner for you people educated in government schools) exercised his right to protect his life, liberty, and property. - Horrified is an idiotAnd why should the victim let someone steal from him? Hey, Horrified ... give us all your address and I'm sure someone will be over to take your stuff and you should just let them. But, you moron, this isn't the case of someone just stealing. It's a carjacking. That means the car wasn't just sitting in the driveway overnight and when they owner went out the next day it was gone. No, it means the driver was threatened with physical harm in some way to obtain the car. The "victim" in this case should have reloaded and pumped another 5 or 6 bullets into the criminal. If some "poor" Mama would have raised her child right maybe he/she/it wouldn't have been out doing illegal acts. And where was the "poor" father? And who said the ciminal was "poor" or did you just ASSume that? Horrifed, you are just an idiot. Take your obvious Liberal Socialist BS somewhere else.
- Excessive force?When my grandmother got her carry permit, the sheriff advised her that if she ever had to use the gun, to empty it on the aggressor. If I was afraid for my life, I would probably empty mine without thinking about it.
- CarjackingIf you DO have to defend yourself, make SURE you kill the SOB. If you don't, he(she) will sue you and win!!
- Poor MamaPoor Mama? Baloney! If Mama had done her job, and Daddy for that matter, that kid wouldn't be out there stealing cars. Since when does being poor make it okay to threaten other people with guns? My family has always been poor but we have never had one single solitary family member in jail.
- "Horrified's" commentGet serious! I guess you would be O.K. with the car’s owner being killed, as often happens. Racism? I haven't seen anyone make any racist comments here. Are you perpetuating racism by assuming the criminal was of a particular race? Why do you encourage and condone violent crime? If you're so concerned, why don't you work to keep people from choosing a life of crime, rather that attacking those who defend themselves from these predators?
- packingI read someone say recently "I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop." I think I'm stealing that line:)
- car jackingto "horrified", the only racism is evidently in your own mind. i see no mention of race in the story or comments.
- How Disgraceful?????????"How disgraceful?" "The victim should have given the car up?" You are an ABSOLUTE IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! People like you and your mindset are PRECISELY what is wrong with this country!! "What if the poor man wanted to get out of the cold?" You MORON!!!!!!!!
- Car Jacking"shooting
How disgraceful! Taking another person's life because of a car? The "victim" should have just given the car up and called the police. Insurance would have replaced the car anyway. I am sick of all the racism coming from these comments too! Now a poor mama lost her child. What if the poor man was just trying to get out of the cold? We need to have sympathy for the poor and try to help them instead of shooting them down!"
What if he wanted to KILL him and take the car? - change for coffeeyep, he needed a littel change for cofee. thats why he tried to carjack instead of asking for change.hanging outside of a bar.
- carjacking shootingIf this really was a carjacking then the guy got what he deserved. The shooter should be repremanded for accessive force,two well placed shots would have been enough (waste of expensive ammo) and littering. There once was a time in this country when the criminals were afraid of honest citizens but now its ass-backwards. The police can only investgate the crime after the fact, its up to citizens to protect themselves.
- Why just a "Momma"I notice that Horrified says that "Now a poor mama lost her child." I find it interesting that a Daddy hasn't lost a child as well. You can supply your own answer.
- BravoMaking the world safer, one dead SOB at a time....
- Good JobI love stories like this. It is your responsibility to defend and protect yourself. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.
- Hey, man...nice shot!New from Blamm-O!!!
A dead thug in a fresh pine box. Be sure to say hello to your dad when you get there! - Re: shootingDear "Horrified",
Are you serious? You did read the part that the carjacker held the victims at gunpoint, correct? I hope you don't vote. - Defend yourself at all costsThank god you were potecting yourself. It's everyone's duty to protect your life and your loved ones. Carry a gun and live, call 911 and be carried off in a ziplock bag. You Don't need some liberal crybaby to tell you if and how you can defend yourself. Get a gun a practice and be protected from all of the scum the libs love.
- Poor VictimThat poor, dead carjacker was a victim of his environment. We need a Federal program to provide all Americans with vehicles so the disadvantaged can exercise their right to drive.
How dare that gun-wielding thug with a nice car he/she wouldn't share snuff out the life of another human being using so many rounds of red-hot lead?
We're all guilty of depraved indifference when we create a world where the less fortunate are forced to commit crimes just to get transportation to their next crime scene. Shame on America!
(Great story.) - shootingHow disgraceful! Taking another person's life because of a car? The "victim" should have just given the car up and called the police. Insurance would have replaced the car anyway. I am sick of all the racism coming from these comments too! Now a poor mama lost her child. What if the poor man was just trying to get out of the cold? We need to have sympathy for the poor and try to help them instead of shooting them down!
- Re: D R TGood riddance to the scum, but let us be rid of the rest of the scum, carjackers, drug dealers, etc.
- CARJACKINGAWESOME-GREAT JOB. SAVED THE TAXPAYERS
MONEY. - carjacker shot and DRTProbably a mistake of intentions by the shooter. A complete investigation is warranted, as we, a civil society, cannot allow individuals to take the law into their own hands. The man probably just needed a little change for a cup of coffee.
- Good for you!!This is GREAT!! I am so glad another scumbag has been blown away. We don't need more cops, we need more people like this guy who wasn't afraid to defend himself when the time came. We need more upstanding citizens packing heat- the criminals will always carry guns- we need them to know that we are too!
- citizen defends selfMaybe we need more APD layoffs. No need for them to arrive and take a report of a crime. It is handled for them.
- CarjackerHe could not have picked a more fitting place for his last carjack "The Graveyard Tavern". Good shooting.
- Woohoo!It's about time. One down, dozens to go. Maybe these thugs will think twice if they realize people are carrying concealed guns, and are trained how to defend themselves.
Since the city can't protect us, we've got to do it ourselves. Vigilanteism? Maybe... but are you just going to hand him your keys/wallet and then have him shoot and kill you and your family anyway? Didn't think so.
It's unfortunate that it takes Fulton County SIX MONTHS to process a CC permit (state law says it should take 60 days)... - Shooting Called Self DefenseStreet Justice Baby!!! Good move shooting the dirt bag 5-6 times... That way he can't come back to sue you.
- I'd never feel guilty...Of wasting a POS who tried to carjack me. It is high time we start eradicating the scum in this nation one by one as the pick on us one by one. Let God deal with it up there so the rest of us can live in peace down here.
- Criminal EndWell done unidentified victim! I imagine you might live with some guilt over taking another persons life, but rest in the knowledge that you probably saved an innocent persons life as well as a large amount of taxpayer money. My guess would be the shooter had a permit for the gun and has probably practiced with the gun. Also the shooter will probably carry the rest of his or her life but never pull the weapon again.
Good job APD for not making this more than what it is. Citizen defending their own life and property. - Alls well that ends wellAwesome. No problem on my end if a criminal is shot while robbing a victim. More people should get a firearms license and carry a concealed weapon. It's fast, easy, and inexpensive to get the license. Go to georgiapacking.org for info.
- carjacker shootingI love reading good news first thing in the morning.
- YOUR defenseNEWS FLASH!
Law enforcement ingeneral and in this case the ity of Atlanta have NO DUTY to protect you!!! YOU have a COnsitiutional duty to protect YOURSELF.."Google" police and protection, this has been held by the supreme court many times.
GREAT job to the ARMED CITIZEN I'll but your next box of ammo!
SWAT COP
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