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Sandy Springs: No to Scientology
(WSB Radio) -- By a vote of 3-2, the Sandy Springs Planning Commission has recommended the City Council deny the rezoning of an office building owned by the Church of Scientology.
The church wants the property, located at the intersection of Roswell Road and Glenridge Drive, to be its new Georgia headquarters.
About 30 residents from neighborhoods adjacent to the building attended Thursday night's meeting. Patty Burns, president of the Round Hill Condominiums, told the board "we have over 500 petitions from the surrounding neighborhoods that will be severely affected." She added "most letters of objection mention traffic." In fact, sixteen of the city's homeowners associations have formally voted to oppose the rezoning.
In his presentation to the panel, Scientology attorney Woodson Galloway said "it's not as if we're trying to plop down a megachurch deep within a single family neighborhood on a two lane road. This (the property) is on a five lane highway."
The denial by the planners is non-binding and the same arguments will be heard October 20th before the Sandy Springs City Council.
Church leaders and their legal representatives have hinted a lawsuit could be forthcoming if the City Council denies its petition.
What others are saying
- Church's history of traffic issuesI used to be in the church in GA. They used to be in a building near the Perimeter area. The parking there was so tight that even when they weren't having events, people had to park at nearby local businesses and walk over. When they were looking for a new building, a survey of members listed parking as a major thing to be considered and when they chose the one in Sandy Springs, it was clear there was insufficient parking. But their answer was always that they could use the parking at the post office next door. That was always their plan. They knew there was an issue but were hell bent on selecting that building.
- Missing the pointIt is clear that some people commenting are not apprised of the issues relating to this rezoning matter. It is not a matter of denying anyone their rights, or mistreatment of a religious group, no matter how much attorney Woodson Galloway would like to spin it that way. The Church of Scientology wants to use the building in a manner that is inconsistent with the surrounding area, and inconsistent with the zoning regulations.
The building is currently 3 stories, 32,000 square feet, with 111 parking spaces, 30 of which are under the building. The Scientologists would like to enclose the underground parking lot for a 4th floor, increasing the building to 44,000 square feet, and reducing the parking to 81 spaces.
This would put the density in excess of the zoning mandated parking spaces per square foot. Sandy Springs has been willing to allow every request made with regard to changing the zoning, with the exception of allowing the basement enclosure, because of the parking space elimination. This would render the building unsuitable for any future use. They could occupy the building (which has been vacant since purchased by the Church of Scientology of Georgia in 2005) now, if they were willing to compromise about enclosing the basement.
This issue is more complex than it appears, and is being discussed in much more detail on the forum at TheTippingPoint.org . - Sandy Springs and ScientologyScientology is constantly in a lawsuit with someone. What's new?
- Sandy SpringsClearwaters experience with Scientology is valuable in forming an opinion on this matter.
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Letters: Scientology's grip hurts downtown Clearwater - St. Petersburg Times
Letters: Scientology's grip hurts downtown Clearwater
May 27, 2008
http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/letters/article525625.ece
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Clearwater merchants upset over anti-Scientology protests - St. Petersburg Times
Clearwater merchants upset over anti-Scientology protests
May 14, 2008
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article503671.ece
The "petition" mentioned in the article (petition written by downtown business owners) was actually written by Scientologists pretending to be regular Joe American business people. They were exposed by a one-by-one examination of the signatures on the petition by volunteer ex-scientologists.
Scientology in Clearwater - Project to identify all downtown Clearwater businesses
section titled "Petition to Clearwater Mayor by Scientologist-friendly businesses"
http://www.scientologyinclearwater.com/downtownaddresses.html
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Tampabay: The unperson
The unperson: Scientologists who cross their religion can be declared suppressive persons, shunned by peers and ostracized by family.
June 25, 2006
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/24/Tampabay/The_unperson.shtml
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Scientology's town: As Scientologists launch unprecedented expansion, downtown Clearwater's identity is at stake. A two-part special report
July 18, 2004
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/18/Tampabay/Scientology_s_town.shtml
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Clearwater Sun alum says City Desk clerk was a spy for Scientology
Clearwater Sun alum says City Desk clerk was a spy for Scientology
August 04, 2008
http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2008/08/clearwater-sun.html
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Tampabay: Is he a slumlord or ethical specialist?
Is he a slumlord or ethical specialist? The man who owns an apartment building evacuated by officials for safety violations also holds Scientologys highest status.
May 11, 2006
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/11/Tampabay/Is_he_a_slumlord_or_e.shtml
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Important video interview
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5704547942523554352&q=5704547942523554352&ei=tLgrSMbeJ4SE4gKkw7niCQ
Gabe Cazares Interview - 44:14 - Apr 8, 2006
This interview features Gabe Cazares who was Mayor of Clearwater, Florida when Scientology snuck into the city under an assumed name. Gabe courageously took them on and was savagely attacked by Scientology in numerous covert operations which were later uncovered when the FBI raided Scientology's headquarters. Meet Gabe Cazares - Former Mayor of Clearwater, Florida Also in the video is Wayne Shelor. At the time of the interview, Wayne worked as a journalist. He later would become the PR man for the Clearwater Police Department.
Additional info:
http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/timeline.html
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/18/Tampabay/Scientology_s_town.shtml - ScientologyHey folks, ever consider the fact that "zoning and traffic" may not be the "real" reason?
There are enough religions in the area without another. Scientology is a cult religion, and we sure don't need any more cults. - Missing the pointThe problem is that Scientology is using the old "we're a religion" argument to try to have its cake and eat it too. Scientology's "courses" constitute it's main "worship", not the use of the small chapel each org building has. The Scientologists are being disingenuous with regard to how and when their building will be used.
A typical tactic with them. - Traffic and zoningTraffic and zoning so what else is new. I think this is a good time to fix the intersection at Roswell and Glenridge. If the church is smart they will work with Sandy Springs and help get that intersection fixed.
- Sandy Springs & ScientologyI agree that in the fact maybe the church should pay for tax, and not the community but I honestly feel that that if they have the rights to rezone their office building. By denying them it reminds me how Jews were denied rights, and how African American were denied rights to start business and even purchase homes within communities. This should not be the case with Scientology.
- Decreased Property ValuesThere is also the reality that all properties in the vicinity of this cult building will suffer a drop in value. No one wants to be near the cult, just look what scientology did to Clearwater, FL.
- Re: MJ SmithI understand your frustration with traffic and the poor job of infrastructure that the cities have done, but I'd like to respectfully point out a couple of issues.
First, what gives an early property owner in an area more of a right to fully use their property than a subsequent property owner? In other words, if you happen to build your house/building first, why should I be denied the ability to build my own house/building later? Second, frustration should be directed at the Politicos who have mis-spent tax dollars for decades. Instead of investing in infrastructure that was needed to support future growth, they spent it on things that would get them re-elected. That caused the infrastructure that was in place to be overloaded and the new infrastructure to cost more than it would have if it were built in a timely manner. Lastly, since everyone in the area uses streets, sewers, etc..., why would only the latest folks to move in be asked to pick up the tab? Doesn't seem fair to me.
We're all frustrated by traffic and infrastructure issues, but beating up on new development (as long as it is quality and is harmonious with the area) will only result in decay. Sandy Springs is a great example if this.
And no, I'm not a developer. - Sandy Springs & ScientologyTraffic is bad enough in that area. For that matter traffic is bad in many different cities but we city councils continue to allow businesses to build without proper planning on the infrastructure to support the new business. There should be some sort of additional fees attached to each and every business that are not part of any building permit or zoning. They should have an infrastructure tax. This tax will in effect allow for widening of roads, stop signals, road improvements, etc,... This will stop the taxpayer from having to pay higher taxes to the government for these improvements to the roads and infrastructure. If the city council approves the business license but does not approve the proposed infrastructure improvements to then the entire permit is denied. The initial tax should be equivalent to 15-20% of the cost of the building or something there of. Every year thereafter there is a 5-10% ongoing tax. Why the tax? Well business could pass this along to the consumer. The consumer could decide whether they wish to attend that establishment or if they wish to go somewhere else. This way the taxpayer is NOT forced to pay for infrastructure road improvements everytime a new building or establishment wants to exist. Of course, this is just the start of an idea. There are loopholes in this plan which would need some work but it is a start.
- Kooky, but...Personally, I think Scientologists are nutty as hell, but I think that they (and everyone else) has a right to use their property in a manner which is consistent with the surrounding area. The Sandy Springs area south of 285 is not much more than gas stations, MARTA bus stops, and section 8 housing. How in the world would a new Church hurt the area? It wouldn't. The neighbors don't like the Churh's teachings (nor do I), and are using traffic as a ploy to stop it.
I smell a lawsuit coming.....Get ready to pay up, Sandy Springs. - Smart move. I wouldn't want that kind of place in my neighborhood close to my children.
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